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	<title>Comments on: Online University</title>
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		<title>By: regehr</title>
		<link>http://blog.regehr.org/archives/587/comment-page-1#comment-2962</link>
		<dc:creator>regehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew, I generally agree.

One thing, however, is that I don&#039;t have an optimistic view of what happens when capitalism meets the requirement for a top-quality education. In a profit-based environment the incentives are to admit and graduate as many students as possible. To keep them happy and in the system, they will usually get the grades that they expect and believe that they deserve.

I probably needn&#039;t mention that we&#039;re not so far from this situation already, with many departments (including mine) receiving compensation from the institution proportional to the number of student credit hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I generally agree.</p>
<p>One thing, however, is that I don&#8217;t have an optimistic view of what happens when capitalism meets the requirement for a top-quality education. In a profit-based environment the incentives are to admit and graduate as many students as possible. To keep them happy and in the system, they will usually get the grades that they expect and believe that they deserve.</p>
<p>I probably needn&#8217;t mention that we&#8217;re not so far from this situation already, with many departments (including mine) receiving compensation from the institution proportional to the number of student credit hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Sussex</title>
		<link>http://blog.regehr.org/archives/587/comment-page-1#comment-2953</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Sussex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking on the bright side, this might be a natural evolutionary optimisation of the university system. At least in the UK, a degree is punishingly expensive and, to my mind, in most cases probably not worth it.

By outsourcing the non-specialist /  non-contraversial topics, universities can focus on - and distinguish themselves in - the hard, creative and interesting areas that benefit from experienced tuition and, in doing so, perhaps make higher education more affordable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking on the bright side, this might be a natural evolutionary optimisation of the university system. At least in the UK, a degree is punishingly expensive and, to my mind, in most cases probably not worth it.</p>
<p>By outsourcing the non-specialist /  non-contraversial topics, universities can focus on &#8211; and distinguish themselves in &#8211; the hard, creative and interesting areas that benefit from experienced tuition and, in doing so, perhaps make higher education more affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus</title>
		<link>http://blog.regehr.org/archives/587/comment-page-1#comment-2933</link>
		<dc:creator>Magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me that accrediting free online courses (no enrolment, no accountability) is opening a can of worms.  I can&#039;t see how you could possibly give credit if the uni itself that is giving the course won&#039;t.

Funnily enough, I learnt just fine in a large lecture room or even theatre, though there were also tutorials to help.  But it really depends on the lecturers, the quality of which ranges from engaging and genuinely enthusiastic about teaching to abysmal.  I can&#039;t imagine having anywhere near the same engagement online compared to even a large lecture theatre.

By astounding coincidence I took one of Alan&#039;s classes, USyd CS3 Database Management Systems, about 20 years ago.  Hi Alan!  (He was one of the more interesting lecturers :-))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that accrediting free online courses (no enrolment, no accountability) is opening a can of worms.  I can&#8217;t see how you could possibly give credit if the uni itself that is giving the course won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Funnily enough, I learnt just fine in a large lecture room or even theatre, though there were also tutorials to help.  But it really depends on the lecturers, the quality of which ranges from engaging and genuinely enthusiastic about teaching to abysmal.  I can&#8217;t imagine having anywhere near the same engagement online compared to even a large lecture theatre.</p>
<p>By astounding coincidence I took one of Alan&#8217;s classes, USyd CS3 Database Management Systems, about 20 years ago.  Hi Alan!  (He was one of the more interesting lecturers <img src='http://blog.regehr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: regehr</title>
		<link>http://blog.regehr.org/archives/587/comment-page-1#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>regehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I noticed that Demillo&#039;s book is out now, should be interesting reading. But just the other day I got the new Christensen book about universities -- need to read that one first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that Demillo&#8217;s book is out now, should be interesting reading. But just the other day I got the new Christensen book about universities &#8212; need to read that one first.</p>
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		<title>By: regehr</title>
		<link>http://blog.regehr.org/archives/587/comment-page-1#comment-2925</link>
		<dc:creator>regehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Alan, I agree with your comments -- we absolutely can and should do a better job with these large &quot;service courses&quot; that happen to make up a large part of the students&#039; first two years.  

A separate issue, based on my experience at three R1 universities, is that a large fraction of students don&#039;t &quot;want to attend an R1&quot; in any informed sense. Certainly I didn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan, I agree with your comments &#8212; we absolutely can and should do a better job with these large &#8220;service courses&#8221; that happen to make up a large part of the students&#8217; first two years.  </p>
<p>A separate issue, based on my experience at three R1 universities, is that a large fraction of students don&#8217;t &#8220;want to attend an R1&#8243; in any informed sense. Certainly I didn&#8217;t.</p>
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